ItaKiss and Casshern Sins- Why it’s never too good to rage over things 2D sometimes.

I refer to Owen’s post, of course.

While most of what he’s trying to get at is a compare-contrast kind of thing between male and female aniblogger reception towards the show, the underlying principle here is that ItaKiss’s reception differs greatly from Male to Female aniblogger is on the simple, underlying virtue of gender.

And that, by extension, it is on underlying virtue of one’s self.

I mean, when I watch a show, what matters mainly to me is whether I can identify with the characters inside. Not whether or not there’s popular opinion on whether it’s horrible or something I absolutely HAVE to watch.

Reflecting on that point, look at shows like Gundam 00 S2. Personally, I detest most things Gundam, and I can’t identify with a SINGLE character. NOT ONE. From Setsuna all the way down to Tiera, none of them click with me.

Yet, just like Impz’s little episode with Casshern Sins (I’d quote 4chan, but /m/’s probably saged that thread already) if I said Gundam 00 2 was terrible and that I preferred, say…Zettai Karen Children to it, I doubt anon. would have digested it any better.

For the record, I’d just like to touch on the fact that I can click with characters in Zettai Karen Children more than I can with Gundam 00. Perhaps I’m not plucking at the right aniblogger string here, but look at darkmirage’s Gundam 00 posts. The reason he can continually point out flaws and rail on his incessant boredom at the series he’s blogging is ’cause he can identify with Gundam in general. Aroduc consistently blogs obscure series of which some haven’t even been subbed beyond their pilot. Why? It’s on the basis that they can somehow identify with the show on some level, in some manner.

My point here is basically musing on the fact that it’s rather interesting how sometimes things have begun to be so universally accepted as good or horrible that it has become a standard by which to judge.

Looking at it seriously, this can only lead to a manner of lateral thinking. Even…say, Zero no Tsukaima - Futatsuki no Kishi’s ending; which has been widely accepted as horseshit by novel purists and TV fans alike can be enjoyed on a personal level because you like the droll, tit-tastic humor, then that is that.

Sometimes you wonder, why can’t novel purists or hardcore fans take a step back and say, “well, that blew, maybe next time” instead of launching into fanboy nerd rage.

Owen’s post, while not exactly like mine in nature, is similar in the sense that he addresses the fact that sometimes it’s not exactly worth it (god knows it isn’t) to pop a blood vessel as to why they didn’t end off with Heaven’s Feel, or have some form of conclusion.

Life’s too short for that, and there is no standard and no real good or bad, lest you answer to a higher power, then you may want to weigh your responses carefully, but that’s another story for another time.

In essence, step back and try to see what you really ragehate at and really like, it may not be what you expect. After all, there’s nothing really “good” or “bad” until you have a look and decide for yourself.

So yeah, go read that post now :P

11 Comments »

  1. So you can identify with lolis…

    Yeah, I would be afraid of bears on the loose too if I didn’t identify myself with a certain Street Fighter 2 character that wrestles with bears. Then again all this projection is so Mary Sue, and you know that stuff is worse than popping a vein over some ragehaet anime.

  2. Well, that’s kind of pushing it though. :|

    Although what I’m trying to get at is that there really is no standard save your own. That notion is of course, really mary sue to quite a few.

  3. I don’t think we should condemn ‘fanboy nerd rage’ outright. It is, after all, a sign that, deep down, someone cares enough about a show to wish it were better.

    I’m all in favour of people watching whatever they enjoy, regardless of its quality. I’m not sure I see the connection between an anime being good and my having to watch it, which is why statements like ‘this is the best show of the season, you have to watch it’ leave me nonplussed.

    At the same time, I’m not sure we should reduce all our discussions about anime to the level of ‘there really is no standard save your own’. Since a lot of bloggers seem to want to write about how good or bad different anime are, a lot of people will be upset if there turns out to be no independent and objective set of values to judge anime by.

    (For the record, I enjoy Gundam 00 and Zettai Karen Children - for different reasons in each case, and in neither case because I identify with the characters.)

  4. Hey, thanks for the mention, really appreciate it. I was actually toying with the hypothesis that girls process characters of their own gender a lot more personally than guys do characters of their gender, but it would have been [citation needed] and waaaay too ambitious for a review of a single series.

    Here’s a question, though: When was the last time any of you guys raged on, say, Yuuji’s indecisive behaviour? Or Saito’s dog status? Who actually gets mad or annoyed when Ryuuji gets beaten up? I certainly don’t see that happening–have never seen or heard any guy complain about it, and find it highly unlikely to happen.

    Then we have the limited data available of girls raging over Kotoko and taking it personally as an affront to all girls, and, well… you get the idea. I wouldn’t say IKnight’s ‘fanboy nerd rage’ is necessarily representative of the rage I felt while reading opinions about ItaKiss–maybe ‘fangirl uterus rage’ as a politically incorrect term? I certainly saw it that way, if nothing else.

  5. I agree with Iknight for the most part.

    A better discourse would involve learning when to not trash a show; but I can’t think of a good reason to not praise it, even if logically it may be a good idea sometimes to just shut up about something even if you have something good to say.

    Objective measure of standard, however, is a misguided concept. It is more useful to articulate a clear standard, however subjective, than to fuddle around with something that seems objective.

  6. Great discussion this is becoming…

    I sometimes wonder what is the point of criticism if I end up liking everything? Every show I talk about, every post is tantamount to a recommendation. Have I kept my mind so open that my brains fell out?

    Ultimately, any and every reading is valid and true. Someone’s ragehaet is true for that person. Nonetheless there is no requirement for anyone else to agree, or have their own reading of the subject to be invalidated by that rage.

    I think the value of the discussion itself is under-appreciated. We love discussing anime. I do! So the occasional dissenting opinion is really good for us because it contributes to discussion.

    Of course, how we value such opinions is subjective as well. Is the post well-argued? Was it just angry ranting with next to no analysis? I rather enjoyed Owen’s post, even though I fail at contributing to the discussion because I haven’t seen Itazura no Kiss.

    And yes, I’m male, and I rather like Casshern Sins, something mai waifu won’t watch with me T_T

  7. omo sez:

    It is more useful to articulate a clear standard, however subjective, than to fuddle around with something that seems objective.

    Great point. If we devolve into pure “it’s all subjective, you like what you like,” territory, we may as well pack it up and go home, and definitely never argue or debate. But at the same time, subjectivity is why we’re here, and trying to retrofit some kind of all-consuming standard on art/entertainment is not gonna get us much of anywhere.

  8. Objectivity does not exist and I feel like I need to pull out the two-page report I did scientifically explaining the nonexistence of objectivity but instead I can say ‘I fucking loved the Tsukihime anime’ or something.

    Fanboy rage is not something to bitch about IMO. A blog is for reactions. It’s not for happy reactions exclusively it’s simply for reactions. I made a post on how Escaflowne was the worst crock of shit ever. If I hadn’t, I wouldn’t have made a post about Escaflowne at all. And where do I get with that?

  9. Some will rant and rage, some will satirize, some will write in-depth analysis and variety is the spice of life.

  10. @Iknight: There’s nothing wrong with defending a series against a troll, but another thing altogether to throw enormous blunt objects at everyone and their mother when the animation quality of say….the latest episode of Gundam 00 2 had some sunrise quality

    Also, addressing the fact of “there is no standard save your own” refers to what you hold a show to. Granted, absolute QUALITY is unacceptable, there are unspoken norms, but it is very, very constrictive to have an standard way to grade everything. I’m all for independent judgments though.

    @Owen S: It was my pleasure and a good read. Also, I’ve never raged at Saito much. Save maybe getting a little peeved at his indecisiveness, rather. Then I did a little reflectin’ and remembered you can’t be decisive around tsunderes…

    @omo:
    >>A better discourse would involve learning when to not trash a show; but I can’t think of a good reason to not praise it

    Hehe, interesting way of saying it.

    Objectivity is something that is unavoidable sometimes. I’m just saying in general there should never be one standard. Contrary to what many people hold shows to. After all, the tsukihime anime does not exist, yet there are people who still believe. ;)

    @ghostlightning: Wow, you’re optimistic…for now…

    @Otou-san: Truly so. I’m just saying it is pointless to hold a show to a general standard like quite a few fans do.

    @digitalboy:

    >>Objectivity does not exist

    O RLY?

    >>I did scientifically explaining the nonexistence of objectivity but instead I can say ‘I fucking loved the Tsukihime anime’ or something.

    Unless your discourse is on scientific objectivity.

    I ask you how do you propose to scientifically disprove the existence of something that is more abstract in nature than all scientific laws which are UNIVERSAL by the way, to date?

    >>Fanboy rage is not something to bitch about IMO. A blog is for reactions. It’s not for happy reactions exclusively it’s simply for reactions

    Again you miss my point. I am not going to stop you if you say like….Tsukihime (PC) was shit, but imposing a standard to judge all reactions by is just plain dumb.

    @D.J: And spicy it is :D

  11. Meh, it’s all about that X-Factor for me, just something that inherently “clicks” with me. If a show ain’t got it, then it is, at least in my opinion, bad.

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